Agents are the next infrastructure wave, and the companies that win it will be the ones that own both pillars — the data moat AND the agent infrastructure that runs on top. Either alone makes you a strong player. Both is what makes you the next 10x winner.
In this episode I walk through:
- Why agents will mirror the cloud era — AWS-style infra players and Heroku-style high-end-of-stack players, with a squeezed middle
- Why "inference is the new compute bill" changes the SaaS scaling math
- How vertical integration compounds quality and UX, the Apple way
- What "owning agents" actually means (hint: not building a frontier model)
- The two pillars — data and agent infra — and why owning both is the 10x play
Read the post: https://coreyja.com/podcast/agents-as-infrastructure
⏱ Chapters
00:00 Cold open + the two-pillar thesis
01:30 Why agents mirror the cloud — AWS vs Heroku, the squeezed middle
04:00 Vertical integration — cost and inference as the new compute bill
07:30 Quality + UX — the Apple analogy
10:30 Why owning both pillars closes the loop
13:00 Not about building a frontier model
15:00 Where I think this lands — what I'm watching
17:00 Sign-off
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